Ultimate College Softball
Register Calendar New Posts Chat
 
 
 


Reply
 
Author Comment
 
3leftturns

Registered: 11/13/12
Posts: 4,476
Reply with quote  #1 



Beyond belief.

On the pitch that brought about this unacceptable behavior, the catcher looked like she is in a weightlifting competition trying to pull ball four upward into the zone.

Have long suspensions have been handed out for Nathan Jessup and the battery?

OldWiseOne

Registered: 05/22/13
Posts: 140
Reply with quote  #2 
ASA, PGF and every tournament organizer should see that and ban Mel from ever coaching again.  There is absolutely NO place for that in the game.  First, the umpire could have been seriously hurt.  Second, what is he teaching his players?  If you don't like something that happened to you just hurt someone? 

In today's anti-bullying age, that is the definition of being a bully and Mel Sievers should not be allowed to get away with it.  Whether it was a bad call or not, you never stoop to that level!
Whammer7

Registered: 04/12/13
Posts: 28
Reply with quote  #3 
Interesting.  She finally hit her spot.

What age group and where?

__________________
Harry Callahan: A man's got to know his limitations.
Magnum Force, 1973
jayrot

Registered: 02/21/07
Posts: 13,062
Reply with quote  #4 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Whammer7
Interesting.  She finally hit her spot.

What age group and where?


Don't know the age group, though I'd guess Gold.  The where is Cathedral City (the same location for the Mary Nutter Classic).
daughtersbiggestfan

Registered: 06/20/07
Posts: 71
Reply with quote  #5 
Looks like the field umpire may have made an ejection, not sure of who but that should have resulted in the immediate ejection of pitcher, catcher and head coach.
UGASBFan

Registered: 05/06/12
Posts: 1,388
Reply with quote  #6 
Just wow. Completely scary moment.

Besides the coaches, I'd assume that is really going to hurt the pitcher's recruiting chances. Completely inexcusable.
artomatic

Registered: 05/27/13
Posts: 12
Reply with quote  #7 
This was 18 gold, at a showcase at the West Covina Big League Dreams park.
jayrot

Registered: 02/21/07
Posts: 13,062
Reply with quote  #8 
Quote:
Originally Posted by artomatic
This was 18 gold, at a showcase at the West Covina Big League Dreams park.


I live 15 minutes from this place and didn't even realize they had a Big League Dreams park in West Covina.  Don't I feel stupid for the MNC reference.
LeftysDad

Registered: 11/22/11
Posts: 119
Reply with quote  #9 
That coach is a punk and piece of sh*t for doing that in my opinion. He has NO business coaching any sport.
soonerdad10

Registered: 08/09/04
Posts: 146
Reply with quote  #10 
What am I looking for?
LeftysDad

Registered: 11/22/11
Posts: 119
Reply with quote  #11 
After the meeting on the mound, first pitch catcher moves out of the way and pitch hits umpire directly in the mask. You may have to enlarge the video screen to see it clearly. Pitch is fast, happens quickly.
My_take

Registered: 03/29/13
Posts: 43
Reply with quote  #12 
Quote:
Originally Posted by UGASBFan
Just wow. Completely scary moment.

Besides the coaches, I'd assume that is really going to hurt the pitcher's recruiting chances. Completely inexcusable.

She has already verballed to Utah.
daughtersbiggestfan

Registered: 06/20/07
Posts: 71
Reply with quote  #13 
Verballed doesnt mean anything.  Similar situation in a high school baseball game a few years back and as I recall both the pitcher and catcher lost scholarships they had already been offered.

She may also want to work on getting her foot inside the lane.  She is way out of it on numerous pitches.
RABIDSOFTBALLFAN

Registered: 11/05/12
Posts: 39
Reply with quote  #14 
This is one of the most classless acts I have ever seen on a softball field.  Most of us that have been involved in this great sport for any period of time, have had issues or dissagreements with umpires.  I understand that things are done, or said in the "heat of the moment", but there is no defense for what occurred here.  The coach, and the two players (as well as their parents), shouldn't just be worried about being banned.  The umpire may actually have a case to press charges for assault.  The video provides pretty good evidence for "intent".  Does anyone know when this incident actually occurred, or what the results were?
daughtersbiggestfan

Registered: 06/20/07
Posts: 71
Reply with quote  #15 
Date listed at top of the video says it was 10-5-13.

Based on the date and the team this appears to be the tournament

https://www.triplecrownsports.com/tourny_detail.asp?tournyid=5252
joemcq51

Registered: 08/11/13
Posts: 17
Reply with quote  #16 
So if it happened in October. has there been any penalties that are known?  Did the coach issue a lousy apology?  Did Utah get the video?  Who runs the organization the coach is from?  Would like to hear some follow up on this one.  So blatant.  Coach should be really proud of himself.
RELAX

Registered: 04/22/12
Posts: 40
Reply with quote  #17 
Personally, I think it's funny that everyone's aiming all their criticism at the pitcher.  I think it's one thing for the pitcher to throw the ball at the target.  It's something totally different to actually BAIL OUT of the way to make sure the ball hits that target.  Don't get me wrong, I think all three are at fault, but I almost feel like the catcher's actions bother me more than the pitchers.  All I know is that my daughter would never play another inning under a coach that would do that.  And if my daughter were that pitcher or that catcher, she'd be getting some lessons taught to her the minute she walked off that field.  No place for these type of actions in ANY sport!!
ObjectiveCollegeFan

Registered: 02/16/13
Posts: 125
Reply with quote  #18 
Not only does this show a lack of respect for the umpire, it demonstrates a complete lack of respect for the game as a whole.  As such it should be appalling and an insult to anyone that has played, coached, or loved the game of softball as most everyone on this board has /does.

A the saying goes, "Sports (or adversity) doesn't build character, it reveals it."  This video says a lot about the character of those involved.  If this teams' sponsors / organization, and sanctioning bodies (TCS, ASA, PGF, etc.) with which this team is affiliated turn a blind eye to this sad display, it will also say a lot about the character of those that call the shots for those groups. 

Have some backbone.  Make a stand publicly for what is right.  Our daughters and the sport we love deserve no less.

Just my opinion.   

3leftturns

Registered: 11/13/12
Posts: 4,476
Reply with quote  #19 
The coach is Secretariat in this ignominious race to me, with the catcher nosing out the pitcher for place. Definitely more culpability behind the dish.
DunninLA

Registered: 05/03/07
Posts: 4,592
Reply with quote  #20 
Not only is this poor sportsmanship, it is a criminal offense.  

To deliberately plan and execute a play whose intention is to hit an umpire with a 55 mph, 6.8 oz. hard projectile is an attack upon the umpire's person.   What if the umpire's mask had failed to protect his face?   What if the ball had hit an unprotected area such as the collarbone, or depending on the mask, trachea (adam's apple)?  What if the umpire had raised his hand to protect himself and broken a finger... and he's a surgeon who can't work with a broken finger?

In baseball there haven't been any prosecutions for beaning a player, because it is impossible to prove intent short of an audio recording of the meeting on the mound.   In this case, there is no ambiguity about the long meeting in the circle, and the catcher's deliberate bailout, exposing the umpire,  as the next pitch was just one half second from arriving to the plate.

With the obvious intent, I wonder if the umpire, the tournament's organizer, or the tournament's umpire chief should file a police report?   This is potentially a lot more dangerous than simply throwing a punch at the umpire, which i assume has happened many times before.

It's kind of ironic that the pitch in question sure looked low and inside to me, with the catcher attempting to jerk it up and closer to the plate after reception.   The umpire's call appeared correct.

P.S.  It looks like he may work for UPS.   If so, somebody should send this thread to UPS home office!  I sure wouldn't want somebody with that bad a judgment exposing my company to who know's what while he's behind my company's wheel.

__________________
qui tacet consentire videtur
JoiseyGuy

Registered: 08/10/04
Posts: 23,806
Reply with quote  #21 
This is much like a prosecuting attorney hiring another person (or two) to punch out the judge because he/she disagreed with a verdict.  The character of this coach is absolutely in question.  For him to use two young girls to fulfill his vendetta demonstrates not only lack of character, but also lack of any definition of manhood that I am familiar with.  He should be banned from the sport indefinitely.    Frank

PS - I thought the pitch call in question was arguably inside and down.  It is those type pitches that require a home plate umpire.  For pitches "down the middle" no home plate umpire is actually needed - everyone agrees with the call (it's like calling the runner-batter out at first when she is out by twenty feet).  We need an umpire there for the bang-bang calls. By the way, this type retaliation (reserved for something very, very egregious, certainly not a ball or strike call) has been around baseball and men's fastpitch for as long as I can remember (I'm 80) but was very, very seldom used.  Lots of talk about using it, but I can't remember it ever being employed, especially at men's fastpitch elite level where the unwritten rules were at least as important as the written ones.         

__________________
"Freethinkers are those who are willing to use their minds without prejudice and without fearing to understand things that clash with their own customs, privileges, or beliefs. This state of mind is not common, but it is essential for right thinking. Where it is absent discussion is apt to become worse than useless." Leo Tolstoy

"Do not try to teach pigs to sing. It will frustrate you and infuriate the pigs who will unite in anger against you, and you will never achieve singing your song". Dr. Petersen
WCCraver

Registered: 09/28/12
Posts: 512
Reply with quote  #22 
Quote:
Originally Posted by My_take
Quote:
Originally Posted by UGASBFan
Just wow. Completely scary moment. Besides the coaches, I'd assume that is really going to hurt the pitcher's recruiting chances. Completely inexcusable.
She has already verballed to Utah. [/QUOTE

               Someone said the catcher also gave Utah a verbal. If the pitcher had a verbal with Arizona,
                Candrea would know about the incident.
               







CAAggieFan

Registered: 09/12/11
Posts: 246
Reply with quote  #23 
To clarify, which team was hitting and which team was fielding.
3leftturns

Registered: 11/13/12
Posts: 4,476
Reply with quote  #24 
Cal Cruisers was pitching. Minors Gold hitting
DunninLA

Registered: 05/03/07
Posts: 4,592
Reply with quote  #25 
Of possible relevance to this incident:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2449245/T-ball-Coach-accused-offering-player-25-bean-9-year-old-autistic-teammate.html

In this first link, the coach was sentenced to 1-6 years in prison.

http://www.wfaa.com/news/crime/Ellis-county-baseball-coach-guilty-of-beaming-player-with-baseballs-218595381.html

In the second link, the coach was found guilty by a jury of his peers of assault - bodily injury, fined, and did jail time

__________________
qui tacet consentire videtur
TruDat

Registered: 06/07/10
Posts: 304
Reply with quote  #26 
Everyone now knows what team it is. This head coach blatantly called for this to happen. He should be banned from ever coaching girls softball again. The kids are just that, kids. But they need some form of discipline as well, although not as severe. Maybe some sort of suspension. This coach has to be a horse's ass because the catcher didn't know how to make it look like it might be an accident. If she stayed in there and just moved her glove, who knows. That tells me he directed it on the spot because she gave it away. No excuses or apologies should be accepted.
JoiseyGuy

Registered: 08/10/04
Posts: 23,806
Reply with quote  #27 
Personally I cannot fault the pitcher and catcher too much.  Their coach told them what to do, and they did it.  Their only other choice would have been to tell their coach that they won't do it and walk off the field (a noble gesture, but a battle won and a war lost in the society of women's fastpitch).  That coach placed those kids in a lose-lose ethics decision.  He was flat out wrong on any level conceivable.     Frank

"Theirs was not to wonder why, theirs what but to do and die, so onward into the Valley of Death rode the six hundred, gallant six hundred..."   Tennyson

"I vas chust following orders"     Nuremburg     

__________________
"Freethinkers are those who are willing to use their minds without prejudice and without fearing to understand things that clash with their own customs, privileges, or beliefs. This state of mind is not common, but it is essential for right thinking. Where it is absent discussion is apt to become worse than useless." Leo Tolstoy

"Do not try to teach pigs to sing. It will frustrate you and infuriate the pigs who will unite in anger against you, and you will never achieve singing your song". Dr. Petersen
TruDat

Registered: 06/07/10
Posts: 304
Reply with quote  #28 
Joiseyguy, I hear you. Kids can get caught up in something bigger than they are used to. But they need some kind of discipline for there own benefit and a message to others
ObjectiveCollegeFan

Registered: 02/16/13
Posts: 125
Reply with quote  #29 
Curious where the rest of the team  / parents stand on this incident.  Anyone know if there has been fall out?
JoiseyGuy

Registered: 08/10/04
Posts: 23,806
Reply with quote  #30 
Tru Dat - A written apology to the umpire from the two kids would be a beginning.  Counseling explaining their culpability, their responsibility, and an explanation of consequences that accompany decision making could follow.  This bad situation can be turned into a viable and positive learning experience for those two girls that will be with them for a lifetime, and will make them more responsible people.  However, it all must begin with sincere regret and an understanding of just what they did and how it was wrong on several levels, and that it wasn't just a lark, a "no biggie". The calendar only adult who was involved should be treated as any adult in our society who orders a physical "hit" should be treated.         Frank
PS - I must add my praise for the umpire's physical restraint when he confronted the coach.

__________________
"Freethinkers are those who are willing to use their minds without prejudice and without fearing to understand things that clash with their own customs, privileges, or beliefs. This state of mind is not common, but it is essential for right thinking. Where it is absent discussion is apt to become worse than useless." Leo Tolstoy

"Do not try to teach pigs to sing. It will frustrate you and infuriate the pigs who will unite in anger against you, and you will never achieve singing your song". Dr. Petersen
Previous Topic | Next Topic
Print
Reply

Quick Navigation:

Powered by Website Toolbox - Create a Website Forum Hosting, Guestbook Hosting, or Website Chat Room for your website.